Open Forum

RE: Donald Bloesch on ucc.org
Hi Willis,

Thanks for this posting.

I think this issue of "defensiveness" has to do in part with the extent to which one is emphasizing apologetics starting from the premised assumptions of the secular culture, compared to the extent to which one is emphasizing dogmatics in the road Barthian sense in accentuating the strange new world of the Bible as starting point. Seems Don was pretty much inclined toward the later and from that perspective did some pretty solid work.

Re: Prayers
Thanks, Gabe.
OK on reading: I usually wear a large magnifying glass.
Grace and peace--
Willis
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Willis,
Just saw your note. So sad to hear about your sight diminishing. Yes,

Re: Donald Bloesch on ucc.org
Thanks, Andy.
Phonecall an hour ago from one of the original (1959) UCC national staff. His comment on Bloesch was "Too defensive: no future for defensive theology." My counter: "Is there a future for a Christianity not defensive enough?"
We never had Don on a Colloquy program, but at some Colloquy somebody played a recording during a break.

Re: Buttrick on "Almighty"
John & Chris
Buttrick was my first pastor: Center Church (Congregational/Presbyterian), Buffalo NY (1918-22).
Got to talk with him in '41, after hearing him on "The Death of God on the Cross" at McCormick Sem.Sall
His son taught the "dirty books course" (contemp. lit. & the gospel) at Princeton Sem.

Re: My response to Stillspeaking Daily Devotional for July 21: Is Jesus God?
Father: You hit the very nerve that has made pastoral ministry so treacherous by identifying the shift between the weight of feelings vs. truth. Your thinking supports the article entitled, "The Church Gone Wild" that somebody put on here. Young pastors need training in this, so do us old ones. Thanks for your lazy brain busting and Jesus nail driving words. ----- Roger

Re: Buttrick on "Almighty"
Dear Jane,
Thanks for your prayers. We do appreciate them.
Blessings,
John

Re: My response to Stillspeaking Daily Devotional for July 21: Is Jesus God?
John, Jane, et al.
Thank you for your personal attacks on Wm. Green's in-your-face antitrinitarianism.
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In our OpenForum, I've long pled for personal attacks naming the alleged deviant. Drowsy people don't come alert when confronted by one IDEA attaching another IDEA, but they do when one incarnate idea with a personal name attacks another incarnate idea with a personal name - in this case, the Ellingwood idea attacking the Green idea.

Re: Buttrick on "Almighty"
Dear John,

Very glad to hear the good news that things are going well with Jean. We
will renew our prayers on your behalf.

Jane

In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:57:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Chris,
Buttrick was one of the great "Princes of the Pulpit" of another day along
with such as Paul Scherer, Theodore Parker Ferris, John Sutherland Bonnell

Re: Buttrick on "Almighty"
Chris,
Buttrick was one of the great "Princes of the Pulpit" of another day
along with such as Paul Scherer, Theodore Parker Ferris, John Sutherland
Bonnell etc. There are some who snicker at them now, but some of them
wear well indeed. I love "almightiness of holy love." As an aside, I had
asked for prayers for my wife, Jean, who is undergoing chemo. Just

Re: Marilyn Robinson
George,
I have to agree with you about John Stewart. He actually seemed to have been familiar with some basic concepts that she put in the book. I happen to like Terry Gross as an interviewer on PBS's FRESH AIR that comes out of Philidelphia. She is one of the few people who interview for a living that seems to actually prepare thoroughly but John surprised me. Yes, the interveiw was brief and on a comedy show but as G. K. Chesterton said:

Re: obituaries and baptismal records
Rick,
I'm glad I found the baptismal information which you were able to
incorporate into your appreciation. It's a thoughtful reflection on his
life drawing upon the historical background of the UCC. I always enjoy
reading your blog. It's one I've bookmarked to see what you are thinking.
You might want to put many of them together some day in book form.

Buttrick on "Almighty"
Dear Confessors,
I am using the Lutheran FOR ALL THE SAINTS for my breviary. I realize that I am in the wrong year but I just had to share part of a reading frmo George Arthur Buttrick that was in Volume II for Tuesday of the week of Pentecost 14 where Buttrick is preaching on Mark 11:27-12:12.
(page 494)

RE: Marilyn Robinson
Hi Gabe,

I vaguely remember the discusssion. Not familiar with the controversy.

I. too thought she did well on John Stewart, for what that show is. More significantly, I thought John Stewart showed some real insight in his comments on the relationship between scientific and religious modes of thinking.

Re: Donald Bloesch on ucc.org
Although he had already been retired for almost a decade by the time I
started seminary at the University of Dubuque Dr. Bloesch was still
very much a presence on campus. Many of my classmates had chosen
Dubuque largely for the opportunity to study under him. Unfortunately
his health prevented him from being able to teach during my time at

Re: Marilyn Robinson
Gilead was part of my summer reading list and I especially appreciated
the look at ministry in a small Iowa town from a first-person
perspective. Of course, the fact that I am serving a congregational
church in small town Iowa made it a very familiar setting. I hope
that you enjoy it as much as I did.

   
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